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		<title>Comment on Luke 7:11-17 Locals and Compassion by AlexL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know and appreciate your heart on Christ-like compassion for nterruptions. 
&quot;Vision myopia&quot; isn&#039;t restricted to the purpose-driven, missional folks - those concerned about Biblically accurate theology (like me) are just as prone to walk on the other side of the road...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know and appreciate your heart on Christ-like compassion for nterruptions.<br />
&#8220;Vision myopia&#8221; isn&#8217;t restricted to the purpose-driven, missional folks &#8211; those concerned about Biblically accurate theology (like me) are just as prone to walk on the other side of the road&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 5:17-26 So that you may know by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/07/16/luke-517-26-so-that-you-may-know/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Alex,  I guess we all use the gifts we have.  You are right that these actions can be explained in other ways.  That is why we need to explain them.  That actions by themselves to not point necessarily to the gospel but if we are acting in these ways I think that people will ask for an explanation and we can point to the gospel.  

I still think that it is an important exercise for me to ask, How would I show to my neighbor that Christ lives in me.  My main point is that if Jesus was not content to let theological claims float unsupported, so much more so I should not be.  I cannot verify claims with the same authority that he did, but in my experience a Christian living as Christ in the world does create almost as much awe as a lame man walking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Alex,  I guess we all use the gifts we have.  You are right that these actions can be explained in other ways.  That is why we need to explain them.  That actions by themselves to not point necessarily to the gospel but if we are acting in these ways I think that people will ask for an explanation and we can point to the gospel.  </p>
<p>I still think that it is an important exercise for me to ask, How would I show to my neighbor that Christ lives in me.  My main point is that if Jesus was not content to let theological claims float unsupported, so much more so I should not be.  I cannot verify claims with the same authority that he did, but in my experience a Christian living as Christ in the world does create almost as much awe as a lame man walking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 6:6-10  To save or destroy. by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/07/24/luke-66-10-to-save-or-destroy/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come On. Are you saying that I have to start.

I have one that looms large but I am not ready to blog about it yet.

One smaller one that is hard to articulate.  I think that the current climate of focusing on gifts as we think about ministry is really just a falsely theological cover for wanting talented people.  There is nothing wrong with wanting talented people but when we put a false theological cover on it, we find ourselves participating in the same devaluing practices of the world that call some people less worthwhile as humans because they bring less to the table.  This is most obvious in the field of worship.  The untalented but godly worshiper brings a gift that is largely ignored by our churches.  We (and I don&#039;t mean Mountain per se, but rather church culture in general) will tolerate a soloist who is musically excellent but struggles with pride a lot longer than one who is humble but struggles with pitch.

This practice isn&#039;t just true in the realm of worship although it is most obvious there, I have done the same thing when recruiting teachers or event organizers.  I don&#039;t mean to imply that we don&#039;t want talented people, but let us not pretend that good pitch is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

I&#039;ve got more but I refuse to be alone in this thought experiment so I will shut up for now.  If you want to know about my most serious one,  anyone is free to ask me offline.

-Ethan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come On. Are you saying that I have to start.</p>
<p>I have one that looms large but I am not ready to blog about it yet.</p>
<p>One smaller one that is hard to articulate.  I think that the current climate of focusing on gifts as we think about ministry is really just a falsely theological cover for wanting talented people.  There is nothing wrong with wanting talented people but when we put a false theological cover on it, we find ourselves participating in the same devaluing practices of the world that call some people less worthwhile as humans because they bring less to the table.  This is most obvious in the field of worship.  The untalented but godly worshiper brings a gift that is largely ignored by our churches.  We (and I don&#8217;t mean Mountain per se, but rather church culture in general) will tolerate a soloist who is musically excellent but struggles with pride a lot longer than one who is humble but struggles with pitch.</p>
<p>This practice isn&#8217;t just true in the realm of worship although it is most obvious there, I have done the same thing when recruiting teachers or event organizers.  I don&#8217;t mean to imply that we don&#8217;t want talented people, but let us not pretend that good pitch is a gift of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got more but I refuse to be alone in this thought experiment so I will shut up for now.  If you want to know about my most serious one,  anyone is free to ask me offline.</p>
<p>-Ethan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 5:17-26 So that you may know by AlexL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At the very least it must include:Service, Sacrifice, Generosity, Joy, Living Free from guilt, Progressive politics (just kidding)&quot;

BUT the actions on this list are explainable in other ways, because there are many not Christians who practice them.  When Jesus ended the sentence “but so that you may know” - he did it w/ something supernatural - something not able to be replicated by others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At the very least it must include:Service, Sacrifice, Generosity, Joy, Living Free from guilt, Progressive politics (just kidding)&#8221;</p>
<p>BUT the actions on this list are explainable in other ways, because there are many not Christians who practice them.  When Jesus ended the sentence “but so that you may know” &#8211; he did it w/ something supernatural &#8211; something not able to be replicated by others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 7:1-10 Foreigners and Faith by Administrator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen and Amen.

On a personal note I find it very affirming that faith can be so matter-of-fact and need not be overflowing in emotion.

Amen and Amen and Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and Amen.</p>
<p>On a personal note I find it very affirming that faith can be so matter-of-fact and need not be overflowing in emotion.</p>
<p>Amen and Amen and Amen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 5:27-39  New Moonshine and Old Bottles by AlexL</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/07/19/luke-527-39-new-moonshine-and-old-bottles/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you mean Cesar Chavez or Hugo Chavez?  Neither of them make my list.  Actually neither does OBL nor HC. 
I&#039;ve not yet had the great test of loving an enemy because that the enemy I would have the hardest time loving would be someone who had hurt one of my daughters.  Even knowing that child-abusers are sometimes replicating the horrific abuse done to them as children, I would have a harder time loving the person who did that to one of my girls than the famous people on your list.
Which makes the God the Father - Jesus the Son drama all the more meaningful to me as a dad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you mean Cesar Chavez or Hugo Chavez?  Neither of them make my list.  Actually neither does OBL nor HC.<br />
I&#8217;ve not yet had the great test of loving an enemy because that the enemy I would have the hardest time loving would be someone who had hurt one of my daughters.  Even knowing that child-abusers are sometimes replicating the horrific abuse done to them as children, I would have a harder time loving the person who did that to one of my girls than the famous people on your list.<br />
Which makes the God the Father &#8211; Jesus the Son drama all the more meaningful to me as a dad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 7:11-17 Locals and Compassion by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/08/03/luke-711-17-locals-and-compassion/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not speak for all who are PD,M, and VO but I know that I am easily capable of developing a hard heart when I feel that somehow I have a higher purpose.  I definitely have been a part of conversations where a focus on purpose allowed me and others to fail to have sufficient compassion for those who are hurting.  
To use the example of the Levite in the story of the good Samaritan, I have always wondered. &quot;Was he on the was to the temple?&quot; Did he have some pressing errand, some mission that was clearly the work of God that prevented him from stopping?  Helping that man would have rendered him unclean.  He simply could not stop to help that man and fulfill his God-given mission.

So I suppose there hearts may break, but they (and I) may feel so bound to some &quot;larger&quot; purpose that we can&#039;t stop to help because to help in an interruption.  I think this is also one of the lessons of Jesus invitation to children.  In some ministry class I read a book that talked about how ministry is the interruptions and if we have a perspective on our own tasks that does not allow for interuptions we have gotten something wrong.

I know these thoughts are pretty rambling but I guess I would sum up by saying, &quot;Yes, I do think that a person who is highly vision oriented must take great care that this vision does not actually prevent them from living with compassion and grace as they go..&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not speak for all who are PD,M, and VO but I know that I am easily capable of developing a hard heart when I feel that somehow I have a higher purpose.  I definitely have been a part of conversations where a focus on purpose allowed me and others to fail to have sufficient compassion for those who are hurting.<br />
To use the example of the Levite in the story of the good Samaritan, I have always wondered. &#8220;Was he on the was to the temple?&#8221; Did he have some pressing errand, some mission that was clearly the work of God that prevented him from stopping?  Helping that man would have rendered him unclean.  He simply could not stop to help that man and fulfill his God-given mission.</p>
<p>So I suppose there hearts may break, but they (and I) may feel so bound to some &#8220;larger&#8221; purpose that we can&#8217;t stop to help because to help in an interruption.  I think this is also one of the lessons of Jesus invitation to children.  In some ministry class I read a book that talked about how ministry is the interruptions and if we have a perspective on our own tasks that does not allow for interuptions we have gotten something wrong.</p>
<p>I know these thoughts are pretty rambling but I guess I would sum up by saying, &#8220;Yes, I do think that a person who is highly vision oriented must take great care that this vision does not actually prevent them from living with compassion and grace as they go..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 6:6-10  To save or destroy. by AlexL</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/07/24/luke-66-10-to-save-or-destroy/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do we have any practices in the church that put us in a position where it is okay to do evil but not good.&quot; - thought of any yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do we have any practices in the church that put us in a position where it is okay to do evil but not good.&#8221; &#8211; thought of any yet?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 6:17-49 Sermon on the Plain by AlexL</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/07/30/luke-617-49-sermon-on-the-plain/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ephesians%202:8-10&amp;version=49</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ephesians%202:8-10&amp;version=49" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ephesians%202:8-10&amp;version=49</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Luke 7:1-10 Foreigners and Faith by AlexL</title>
		<link>http://besquared.org/luke/2007/08/01/luke-71-10-foreigners-and-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that Jesus uses this military man (high structure &amp; heirarchy &amp; authority/ not spontaneous or emotional) to highlight faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Jesus uses this military man (high structure &amp; heirarchy &amp; authority/ not spontaneous or emotional) to highlight faith.</p>
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